Rogue

The Rogue in World of Warcraft: Forever: Assassination, Combat and Subtlety, 9 races, and every ability rank from level 1 to 60, what it costs and where to train it.

Talent calculator Abilities Changes

Specs

Races

9 races can play a Rogue, 2 of them new for Forever. High Order Skyborne and Windshaper Skyborne are Forever's new Skyborne race.

Alliance

Horde

What changed from Classic

Talents
10new
28changed
8removed
Every talent change Abilities
0new
11changed
0removed
Every ability change

Removed means gone from Forever: 8 Classic talents are gone. Together that is the Removed count on the Changes page.

New in Forever

From Blizzard's beta notes 19 notes
  • Rogue poisons no longer wrongly activate against targets that are attacking the Rogue. 15 Oct
  • Sap no longer has a chance to trigger weapon effects. 15 Oct
  • Rogues can no longer swap specializations to keep their Energy full. 15 Oct
  • Cold Blood is now correctly used up when Mutilate lands a critical strike. 15 Oct
Earlier notes (15)
  • Every poison has more charges, and poisons can now be on a weapon at the same time as temporary enchantments such as Weightstones and Sharpening Stones. 7 Oct
  • Feint's threat reduction is doubled. 7 Oct
  • Using Sap no longer breaks Stealth. 7 Oct
  • Distract also lowers affected enemies' Stealth detection for 10 seconds, though player enemies will then know a Rogue is nearby. 7 Oct
  • Expose Armor's armor reduction is raised to match 5 stacks of Sunder Armor at about the same level, and it no longer stops Sunder Armor from being used on the target (Sunder Armor still will not overwrite a stronger Expose Armor). 7 Oct
  • Rogues can now learn to equip one-handed axes. 7 Oct
  • Hack and Slash, a new row 5 Combat talent, replaces the Dagger, Mace, Sword and Fist Weapon Specialization talents and adds axes, which get the Sword bonus of a chance for an extra attack; the Mace bonus ignores part of the target's armor instead of stunning. 7 Oct
  • Mutilate is a new 21-point Assassination talent: a 60 Energy ability that strikes with both hands (both must be daggers), does more against Poisoned targets, awards 2 Combo Points, and lets each hand trigger procs. 7 Oct
  • Venom is a new 31-point Assassination Finisher costing 25 Energy: for a duration set by the Combo Points spent, Poisons deal 30% more damage and are 10% more likely to be applied. 7 Oct
  • Improved Poisons now also gives a large chance for Poisons not to use up a charge when they trigger, so Poisons last much longer without reapplying. 7 Oct
  • Sleight of Hand and Deadliness are removed from the Subtlety tree. 7 Oct
  • Blizzard's summary of the Rogue: Assassination is about daggers and buffing yourself with Finishing Moves, while Combat and Subtlety support all weapon types, Combat with hard direct hits and some Blade Flurry cleave and Subtlety with combat tricks and Bleeds. 7 Oct
  • A missed Expose Armor no longer costs you all your combo points. 1 Oct
  • Setup now adds combo points to your current target only if it is the one you dodged or resisted a spell from. 1 Oct
  • Sap on a PvP-flagged target now flags the Rogue for PvP. 24 Sep

What you learn at each level

115 ranks from level 1 to 60. A price is what Classic's trainers charged, and a price marked (beta) is what a trainer asked in the beta. A rank with no price says where it comes from instead.

Levels 1 to 1013 ranks, 5 changedClassic cost 17s 10c
LevelIconAbilityClassic costStatus
1EviscerateRank 1Known from the startKnown from the startChanged
Pick LockRank 118s (level 16 in Classic)18s (level 16 in Classic)
Sinister StrikeRank 1Known from the startKnown from the start
StealthRank 110c10c
4BackstabRank 11s1sChanged
Pick PocketRank 11s1s
6GougeRank 11s1sChanged
Sinister StrikeRank 21s1s
8EvasionRank 12s2s
EviscerateRank 22s2sChanged
10SapRank 13s3sChanged
Slice and DiceRank 13s3s
SprintRank 13s3s
Levels 11 to 2015 ranks, 7 changedClassic cost 2g 66s
LevelIconAbilityClassic costStatus
12BackstabRank 28s8sChanged
KickRank 18s8s
14Expose ArmorRank 112s12sChanged
GarroteRank 112s12s
Sinister StrikeRank 312s12s
16EviscerateRank 318s18sChanged
FeintRank 118s18s
18AmbushRank 129s29s
GougeRank 229s29sChanged
20BackstabRank 330s30sChanged
Crippling PoisonRank 130s30s
Instant PoisonRank 1No Classic trainer priceNo Classic trainer priceChanged
PoisonsRank 1Taught by a quest: Alliance: Klaven's Tower (Agent Kearnen, The Dust Plains, Westfall). Horde: Hinott's Assistance (Serge Hinott, Tarren Mill, Hillsbrad Foothills)Taught by a quest: Alliance: Klaven's Tower (Agent Kearnen, The Dust Plains, Westfall). Horde: Hinott's Assistance (Serge Hinott, Tarren Mill, Hillsbrad Foothills)
RuptureRank 130s30sChanged
StealthRank 230s30s
Levels 21 to 3023 ranks, 9 changedClassic cost 14g 50s
LevelIconAbilityClassic costStatus
22DistractRank 140s40sChanged
GarroteRank 240s40s
Sinister StrikeRank 440s40s
VanishRank 140s40s
24Detect TrapsRank 150s50s
EviscerateRank 450s50sChanged
Mind-numbing PoisonRank 150s50sChanged
26AmbushRank 260s60s
Cheap ShotRank 160s60s
Expose ArmorRank 260s60sChanged
KickRank 260s60s
28BackstabRank 480s80sChanged
FeintRank 280s80s
Instant PoisonRank 280s80sChanged
RuptureRank 280s80sChanged
SapRank 280s80sChanged
30Deadly PoisonRank 11g1gChanged
Disarm TrapRank 11g1g
GarroteRank 31g1g
HemorrhageFrom a talentFrom a talentChanged
Kidney ShotRank 11g1g
MutilateRank 1From a talentFrom a talentNew
Sinister StrikeRank 51g1g
Levels 31 to 4021 ranks, 11 changedClassic cost 32g 80s
LevelIconAbilityClassic costStatus
32EviscerateRank 51g 20s1g 20sChanged
GougeRank 31g 20s1g 20sChanged
Wound PoisonRank 11g 20s1g 20sChanged
34AmbushRank 31g 40s1g 40s
BlindRank 11g 40s1g 40s
Blinding PowderRank 11g 40s1g 40s
SprintRank 21g 40s1g 40s
36BackstabRank 51g 60s1g 60sChanged
Expose ArmorRank 31g 60s1g 60sChanged
Instant PoisonRank 31g 60s1g 60sChanged
RuptureRank 31g 60s1g 60sChanged
38Deadly PoisonRank 21g 80s1g 80sChanged
GarroteRank 41g 80s1g 80s
Mind-numbing PoisonRank 21g 80s1g 80sChanged
Sinister StrikeRank 61g 80s1g 80s
40EviscerateRank 62g2gChanged
FeintRank 32g2g
MutilateRank 2New in ForeverNew in ForeverNew
Safe FallRank 12g2g
StealthRank 32g2g
Wound PoisonRank 22g2gChanged
Levels 41 to 5019 ranks, 9 changedClassic cost 55g 40s
LevelIconAbilityClassic costStatus
42AmbushRank 42g 70s2g 70s
KickRank 32g 70s2g 70s
Slice and DiceRank 22g 70s2g 70s
VanishRank 22g 70s2g 70s
44BackstabRank 62g 90s2g 90sChanged
Instant PoisonRank 42g 90s2g 90sChanged
RuptureRank 42g 90s2g 90sChanged
46Deadly PoisonRank 33g 10s3g 10sChanged
Expose ArmorRank 43g 10s3g 10sChanged
GarroteRank 53g 10s3g 10s
GougeRank 43g 10s3g 10sChanged
Sinister StrikeRank 73g 10s3g 10s
48EviscerateRank 73g 30s3g 30sChanged
SapRank 33g 30s3g 30sChanged
Wound PoisonRank 33g 30s3g 30sChanged
50AmbushRank 53g 50s3g 50s
Crippling PoisonRank 23g 50s3g 50s
Kidney ShotRank 23g 50s3g 50s
MutilateRank 3New in ForeverNew in ForeverNew
Levels 51 to 6024 ranks, 15 changedClassic cost 95g
LevelIconAbilityClassic costStatus
52BackstabRank 74g 60s4g 60sChanged
FeintRank 44g 60s4g 60s
Instant PoisonRank 54g 60s4g 60sChanged
Mind-numbing PoisonRank 34g 60s4g 60sChanged
RuptureRank 54g 60s4g 60sChanged
54Deadly PoisonRank 44g 80s4g 80sChanged
GarroteRank 64g 80s4g 80s
Sinister StrikeRank 84g 80s4g 80s
56EviscerateRank 85g5gChanged
Expose ArmorRank 55g5gChanged
Wound PoisonRank 45g5gChanged
58AmbushRank 65g 20s5g 20s
KickRank 45g 20s5g 20s
SprintRank 35g 20s5g 20s
60BackstabRank 85g 40s5g 40sChanged
BackstabRank 9From a book: Handbook of Backstab IXFrom a book: Handbook of Backstab IXChanged
Deadly PoisonRank 5From a book: Handbook of Deadly Poison VFrom a book: Handbook of Deadly Poison VChanged
EviscerateRank 9From a book: Manual of Eviscerate IXFrom a book: Manual of Eviscerate IXChanged
FeintRank 5From a book: Handbook of Feint VFrom a book: Handbook of Feint V
GougeRank 55g 40s5g 40sChanged
Instant PoisonRank 65g 40s5g 40sChanged
MutilateRank 4New in ForeverNew in ForeverNew
RuptureRank 65g 40s5g 40sChanged
StealthRank 45g 40s5g 40s

Where to train

In every capital. A city's name opens its map with the trainers marked; a trainer's name opens it on that trainer. Every Rogue trainer on the world map shows your side's (set My character there).

Alliance

Horde

Weapons and armor

Armor

  • Cloth
  • Leather

Weapons and where to train them

A weapon master teaches each weapon skill, for 10s in Classic. A beta weapon master can charge differently. A name opens its city map on them.

IconWeaponAlliance weapon masterHorde weapon master
One-handed
Axes New in ForeverBuliwyf Stonehand IronforgeHanashi OrgrimmarSayoc Orgrimmar
MacesBuliwyf Stonehand IronforgeAnsekhwa Thunder Bluff
SwordsWoo Ping Stormwind CityArchibald Undercity
DaggersWoo Ping Stormwind CityBixi Wobblebonk IronforgeIlyenia Moonfire DarnassusArchibald UndercitySayoc Orgrimmar
Fist WeaponsBuliwyf Stonehand IronforgeIlyenia Moonfire DarnassusSayoc Orgrimmar
Ranged
BowsIlyenia Moonfire DarnassusHanashi OrgrimmarSayoc Orgrimmar
GunsBuliwyf Stonehand IronforgeAnsekhwa Thunder Bluff
CrossbowsWoo Ping Stormwind CityBixi Wobblebonk IronforgeArchibald Undercity
ThrownBixi Wobblebonk IronforgeIlyenia Moonfire DarnassusHanashi OrgrimmarSayoc Orgrimmar

Recommended builds

Starting builds up to level 30. Open one in the talent calculator, or save it to My builds.

  • Assassination

    Damage, level 30, 21 points

    21Assassination0Combat0Subtlety
    Open build

  • Combat

    Damage, level 30, 21 points

    0Assassination21Combat0Subtlety
    Open build

  • Subtlety

    Damage, level 30, 21 points

    0Assassination0Combat21Subtlety
    Open build

Best in slot at level 30: Assassination, Combat, Subtlety.

Questions

Which races can be a Rogue in WoW Forever?

9 races can play a Rogue: Human, Dwarf, Night Elf, Gnome, High Order Skyborne, Orc, Undead, Troll and Windshaper Skyborne. New for Forever: High Order Skyborne and Windshaper Skyborne.

What changed for the Rogue in Forever?

Of 53 talents in the Forever trees, 10 are new and 28 changed from Classic; 8 Classic talents are gone. Of 32 trainer abilities, 0 are new and 11 changed; 10 abilities taught by a talent are counted with the talents.

What does a Rogue learn up to level 30?

Up to level 30, the beta's level cap, a Rogue learns 51 ability ranks across 30 abilities: Eviscerate, Pick Lock, Sinister Strike, Stealth, Backstab, Pick Pocket, Gouge, Evasion, Sap, Slice and Dice, Sprint, Kick, Expose Armor, Garrote, Feint, Ambush, Crippling Poison, Instant Poison, Poisons, Rupture, Distract, Vanish, Detect Traps, Mind-numbing Poison, Cheap Shot, Deadly Poison, Disarm Trap, Hemorrhage, Kidney Shot and Mutilate.

What armor can a Rogue wear?

Cloth and leather. Weapons: maces, swords, daggers, fist weapons, bows, guns, crossbows and thrown.

Where are the Rogue trainers?

In Stormwind City (2), Ironforge (3), Undercity (3), Orgrimmar (3) and Darnassus (3). Forever also adds 3 new trainers outside the capitals.

How much did Rogue training cost in Classic?

In Classic, the ranks listed on this page cost 200g 53s 10c at the trainer from level 1 to 60, 17g 33s 10c of it up to level 30. A beta trainer can charge differently; the table on this page marks every price seen in the beta.